Tuesday, January 20, 2015

"The World of Bubblews Fluff and Stuff" by Kim E. Miller

The World of Bubblews Fluff and Stuff: A Venture into the World of Pooh [Kindle Edition] by Kim E. Miller

You can get your copy on Amazon for only $4.99
Length: 111 pages (estimated)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SI6JO8M <------------ Order here!

I am actually quite interested in reading this, just have to wait for some money to get into my empty PayPal account hehe

Kim E. Miller is not only a friend of mine on Facebook but we both spent a considerable amount of time on Bubblews.

According to Kim " it is more about the world of fluff and my funny posts. I do talk about Bubblews and the way it has gone. I also share some of my good posts to show the decline in what I wrote vs what they want.... It is more of a comedy type book but yet tells my journey in the world...."

I will work to get an opinion from a reader and will add to this.

Saturday, January 17, 2015

CGP, Elite Visitors, IDCircle & Review


CGP, Elite Visitors, IDCircle & Review

As many know, since Bubblews let so many people down in numerous ways from, repetitive TOS changes, missed payments, refused payments, discriminatory advertising bias related to countries and changing the transparency of how you earn; many sites have arisen.

Now, let's make no bones about it, some people are optimistic and trusting while others flat out say "no way, they are all a bunch of "scam sites". Bubblews killed the trust for many.

Well, since CGP aka CGPGallery.com http://www.cgpgallery.com is first on the list I suppose that where we should start.

WHOIS CGPGallery? - http://whois.domaintools.com/cgpgallery.com

* Dates Created on 2014-01-11 - Expires on 2016-01-11 - Updated on 2014-12-02
* IP Address
* IP Location United States - Georgia - Atlanta - Namecheap Inc.
* Registrant City: Nobby Beach
* Registrant State/Province: Queensland
* Registrant Postal Code: QLD 4218
* Registrant Country: AU
* Registrant Phone: +45.36946676

Now, the only reason I have added that is because there are some people who find this kind of info important.

Other people find this info important. My wife has had an account with CGPGallery for around 2 months and has redeemed 3 times. So far her first redemption has not come in and it is over a month. That does have us concerned. The site looks like your basic cookie cutter low budget site, but it does run fairly smooth. The site offers 1 cent for like, comment and view.

WHOIS ELITEVISITORS.COM? http://whois.domaintools.com/elitevisitors.com
* Dates Created on 2014-09-19 - Expires on 2015-09-19 - updated on 2014-12-21              
* Registrant Org R.Y Fallah                                  
* IP Address 
* IP Location     United States - Arizona - Phoenix - Cloudflare Inc.
* ASN  -  United States AS13335 CLOUDFLARENET
* Server Type  -  cloudflare-nginx
* Registrant Street: Terwenblok 8  
* Registrant City: Mechelen
* Registrant Country: BE (Belgium)
* Registrant Phone: +32.0478628503

Well, this one is certainly a mix of the map! I'll let you guys worry about that, Im not feeling like Columbus or Magellan today.

To be honest I have an account here and have only posted two articles. This site also offers 1 penny per view, like, comment. My issue with the site has been that it's slow, again it looks like your basic cookie cutter low budget site but it has a lot of features such as private messaging, chat group and maybe more. I say maybe because with all the features it seems to slow the servers pretty bad, not to mention all the advertising pop ups that come from the sidewall and the bottom of the page which is annoying to me.
Last we have IdCircle.com who is really raising a stir for a lot of reasons.

WHOIS IS IDCIRCLE? http://whois.domaintools.com/idcircle.com   
* Registrant Org - Domains By Proxy, LLC
* Registrar - GODADDY.COM, LLC
* Dates Created on 2014-09-20 - Expires on 2015-09-20 - Updated on 2015-01-06
* IP Address -
* IP Location - United States - Georgia - Atlanta - Namecheap Inc.
* ASN - United States AS22612 NAMECHEAP-NET

As you can see the info available on WHOIS is very limited. The site has been running since January 6th with a scrolling note that said "Official launch date April 9th.

The site like many also offers 1 penny per view, like, comment with a twist as far as the future goes

 which I won't dive into at this point, I will just say I think it is a clever plan as well as beneficial for the members.If you look at the photo below you will see the real exciting part. They were offering $2-$5 per referrals! I made 31 referrals in 2 days.

Big money and big promises for a site that is a little over a week old, even if they do say that you cannot get your first redemption until April 6th.

THE TABLE FLIPS : Last night they made a post saying they are closing the site until April 6th due to there being 600 members already, 500 posted articles and 200 emails asking "Who is the owner of this site?"

My comment on their post - "I personally see this as a bad business move, sorry for being critical but it is less relevant who the owner is and more relevant that you remain consistent, especially after what some other sites have done. I have referred 31 people in 2 days and my reputation was the reason they joined and it took some convincing to get them to join still."

Then added another comment "There is a saying, "you only get one chance to make a first impression". The first impression you are making is this for many people, "we knew it wouldn't last, it just started and already they have failed". Bad thing about the internet is things like this spread. Forget the email inquiries and stick to what you started. When I got hired at jobs, I didn't care who the owner was, I cared that when I came to work the doors would still be open and I would still get paid. You have to show business strength and running away shows weakness."

THE TABLE FLIPS 2 MORE TIMES : After a couple hours they deleted their "we are closing the site" post and made a new post saying, "we have reconsidered and will keep the site open". Very proud of myself for the strong business advice and thinking they learned something I was later disappointed to find out that a couple hours later the site is indeed now closed until April.


It is all a matter or risk versus reward, don't know until you try... trial and error. New sites are mostly going to start with some issues. Some site owners may be great at business but new to internet business and managing a website. Other site owners may be computer / internet / website geniuses but have no knowledge of business.

We are all (including myself) new to creating these revenue sharing sites I suspect and there is a learning curve. How much to pay per site activity, do you track revenue earnings for the members as dollars or cents? Do you use a point system and share a % with the members based on ad revenue, number of members and number of individual points? If you use points, then how many point credits per activity?

It is a bit mind boggling because you can analyze it to hell and back, but until you are actually doing it, I think some things are a bit of a coin toss and subject to possible let downs unless you start really smart so that the only way to go is up. 


Monday, January 12, 2015

Bubblews International Payout Scheme

Bubblews International Payout Scheme

Yes ladies and gentlemen, I am going to call a spade a spade here.

Bubblews would like you to believe that they are losing money or rather being paid less for the views from certain countries, this is actually true. AdSense pays less for the views from certain countries whether it is due to that countries economy or the frequency those from those coutries actually make online purchases.

There is a big hole in his redemption scheme though. He is penalizing people in certain countries based on how much is paid for ad views IN that country. This is a scheme 100%. If you're in the Philippines and make a post and I am in the US and see the ads, then I am seeing US ads. His theory of they lose money should not affect those people, it should be averaged and everyone be paid an even amount.

Now, why would Bubblews do this? Well, they have also lowered the redemption percentage in UK, US and Canada but not nearly as low as say the Philippines where if you redeem you only get 10% of your redemption roughly. It is a way for them to stuff more money in their pockets, plain and simple.

The really sad thing about this is that they are basically using these people in the countries that are not the top 3 (US, Canada, UK). They have basically set a president of bias and discrimination that benefits their earnings. Yes, you are being used. 

#Scheme #Bubblews #Bias #Discrimination

Sunday, January 11, 2015

Arvind : You Talk Too Much


Arvind : You Talk Too Much

Let me start by quoting the lyrical masters of the 80's - Run DMC (they must know Arvind)

"You Talk Too Much" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EheLN-MDzrA

"You're the instigator, the orator of the town
You're the worst when you converse, just a big mouth clown
You talk when you're awake, I heard you talk when you sleep
Has anyone ever told you, that talk is cheap
You talk too much You never shut, up!!
I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!!"

Arvind, you are churning more articles reaching out to your loyal followers heartstrings to feel sorry for you than an Amish person churns butter!

Do you even read what you write and recognize how pathetic and helpless you sound? Stop with all the cry baby articles and start with making your site better and rebuild trust through actions and not words.

More ambiguous cryptic say nothing crap reaching out to his loyals to shed a tear for him.
This is a week straight of "feel sorry for me" posts by him, it's vometous (I made a new word) lol

Bubblews Staff Behaving Badly

Bubblews Staff Behaving Badly

I will refrain from mentioning the groups or the group admins that allow this behavior. I will however share the screenshot of proof.

There is a big thing going on right now regarding the idea of "Bubblews spies". Based on what is going on online and then paralleled with Arvind Dixits post about "Emotions" it is clear that he has people soaking up the negativity for him on other social networks.

Let me share a photo - 

To clarify the photo above: &Bear / Barrett Barnes (Bubblews staff) was added to a group and has a habit of liking a post, commenting on it and then deleting the like and the comment. This my friends is a HUGE symbol of immaturity as well as the fact that he represents that site. What kind of representation is that?

Now, me personally, I could care less. I am no longer with Bubblews. None of my future endeavors will be in my name. They can screenshot and copy for records all they want.

I lost my $800.. that's nothing in comparison to my future so I dont give a damn about that. They screwed a number of countries though. These are the people I am thinking of.

All I am saying is this... the site is run by juveniles, the founder? A well worded juvenile who was funded by his buddy Jason Zuccari.

2 words ..................... Sinking ship.

Saturday, January 10, 2015

Is Bubblews A Scam Site?


Is Bubblews A Scam Site?

Boy, oh boy. This is the burning question all over the social airwaves! First, let is define the word "Scam".

scam: noun: scam; plural noun: scams
a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

scam: verb


This of course would lead us to have to define "fraud" & "swindle".

fraud: noun:
1.wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

swindle; verb:

use deception to deprive (someone) of money or possessions.

Okay, so now that we have educated ourselves on the meaning of these words we would have to in my opinion know as fact what their intentions were. It would appear that it basically had to be premeditated.  

It is my honest opinion that Bubblews originally set out with lofty goals to provide something to the community. An opportunity to make friends, express yourself through writing and an opportunity to earn.

It was not until 2yrs later approximately that they dropped the ball somewhere. 
Overly ambitious in terms of site developments which incur massive cost? 

See this article : Is Bubblews Withholding Redemptions to Pay for Updates?    http://burstbubblews.blogspot.com/2015/01/is-bubblews-withholding-redemptions-to.html

Or was there some connection to a massive real estate cost for their new office in San Francisco? The entire building was sold in August of 2014 for $8.5 million dollars to a third party which appears to be financed through Bubblews investors, which does technically mean Bubblews does not own the building. Trust me though, if the investors did front the bill, they are expecting to be paid back.

See this article: Bubblews Moves to Costly Zipcode, Can't Pay Writers 

I might add that if you are one of those people who is really good at finding public records then this is all easily traced and proven. I will leave out the screenshots of the deed and peoples names and stick with the dates for now and let you guys who I trust have the smarts to line up the dates to the redemption issues.

Like Bubblews, I also reserve a lot of rights for my protection. Everything posted here is public record. I personally reserve the right not to form a public opinion of whether Bubblews has committed fraud or if it is a scam site. I simply present the facts as they are and let you decide where the dots connect or if they connect.

Bubblews Future? Please Comment Your Thoughts

Bubblews Future? Please Comment Your Thoughts Here

"Speak Your World" Here Where You Are Allowed

So far this has all been about my experiences, observations and opinions. Feel free to browse my various articles and come back to this one and in the comments, let me know what you think, how you feel.

You are free to speak against my ideas and opinions, you may criticize my experience with Bubblews. You can even tell me that creating this blog is inappropriate or whatever. I respect your opinions.

I am hoping to get a wide range of thoughts and opinions here either for or against Bubblews practices.
I would also, as the title indicates, like to know what you feel the future has in store for Bubblews.

Sincerely, someone sharing the truth as I see it and looking for what you feel the truth is.

When Changes Hit The Fan

When Changes Hit The Fan

Continuing from where I left off here : When Bubbles Were Fun

This article I will discuss some of the bumps that began developing on the site in regards to member behavior and sites response to it.

It had never been a secret that there were violators on the site. Staff had written articles asking members to be vigilant and report violators; whether they be spammers, plagiarizers or like exchangers.

Those of us loyal to Bubblews did just that, we ran plagiarism checkers, flagged posts and spammy comments. We took screenshots of exchange behavior in groups and sent them in to "Bubblews Watcher". We wrote articles of our own trying to promote others to help police the site in the belief that the staff had their hands full and this was the reason for delayed payments as explained by them on several occasions.

During this time I had personally never had a late or missed payment (prior to June 2014)... Remember, we joined in February 2013. I loved the site and supported them 100%. In June 2014 a number of things happened. 

The site got a whole new look, (I personally like it better than the old Bubblegum look), 2 countries that were rife with violations and traffic exchange groups were banned from the site. This was coincidental timing though as it was indicated that PayPal no longer supported their countries.

And then the articles about missing payments started popping up all over from members. The staff were making posts saying anyone who has not violated will be paid, please be patient etc etc.

This notification was refreshing to many including myself. In July I believe they started asking members to "take screenshots of your missed redemption's and send them to staff for verification and you will be compensated".

This went over like a lead balloon. Until now we had no idea we were expected to take screen shots and the redemption's had already been requested. Result? Cant prove it, you dont get it.

This is about the time I started getting vocal. I had only a couple missing redemption's and a few paid redemption's after. I lost 2 due to no screenshot ($100)... poof, gone. Okay, I sucked it up as I had already earned about $5000 on the site since starting with them.

A couple more months passed and I was getting paid basically every other redemption. By now I had sent in 3 emails with screenshots and not one of them answered.  Still, they said "please be patient, we are trying to get to everyone" in their posts.

Never could understand why my redemption's were hit and miss. If I violated I simply would have gotten nothing. Then I fell into the boat with everyone else finally where my last few redemption's were not sent and no explanation was ever given.

As I stated in an earlier article: Quick Summary Followed By Various Blogs Detailing Our Journey http://bubblewsriseandfall.blogspot.com/2015/01/photo-credit-creative-commons-quick.html

"I then wrote articles to draw attention and they got deleted (meaning they knew the issue now). I then posted this comment (see photo) on Arvind's "Ask Me Anything" post and the next day my account was deleted. So, to all of you, if I seem bitter, now you know why. There was a total betrayal of trust not only as a member, but as a friend. They made their bed, they can lie in it. People will not just roll over and die like they would hope."

As I continue on with these articles I will discuss:
The continued changes that happened on Bubblews.
TOS changes.
Arbitration clauses.
Them reserving the right to pretty much do whatever they want.
Redemption changes etc.
Real Estate in San Francisco - Is this where your redemption's went?

Stay Tuned!

"Bursting The Bubblews Bubble"

Friday, January 9, 2015

A House Divided By What Appears As Communist Dictatorship

A House Divided By What Appears As Communist Dictatorship

Bubblews is creating the division themselves by supporting the bashers of the people who can think on their own. They are trying to subliminally get the "loyal" to push the "blood suckers" out. This is of course my opinion and I cannot say for certain that is what they want. However if you follow what is being evidenced on the site by their behavior it would certainly seem that way.

They have proven for 2 years that they will support any post, regardless of how harsh it is and rude to others if it supports Bubblews agenda. They will feature it, they will remove negative comments from others that get written. They will allow everything praising on a staffs post and delete the comments and possibly the profile of someone who shoots straight and asks the challenging questions or doesn't agree with whats going on there. 

There is no "freedom of speech", there is no "Write your world" ... it can be compared to a communist dictatorship.

Communism In practice, a single authoritarian party controls both the political and economic systems.

"Communism does not tolerate freedom of speech, nor does it recognize individual rights, such as the right to private property. Individual rights must give way to the collective rights of the state, which means whatever the government leaders think is best for maintaining their power." http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/miller/120327

This is my opinion and I am entitled to it as per my experience with the site.

Arvinds Hypnotic "Placebo" Articles

Arvinds Hypnotic "Placebo" Articles

These are the most recent articles from Arvind in the last 7 days. He has written more in the last week than he has collectively in a couple months. We must now hasten to ask the question "why?"

Emotions - http://www.bubblews.com/news/9786675-emotions

If you take the time to go through these you will find a number of overwhelming similarities:

1. He starts with a quote and then attempts to philosophically attach some meaning from that quote to his own site plans or relationship with the members.
2. He says a lot without really saying anything.
3. He continuously waves the pendulum in front of everyone's face with "feel good" words of hope and future and benefits to users on the site.
4. He talks about communication and the importance of listening to the members.
5. In the comments you will find outrage as well as the hypnotized members.
6. The die hard members ask for no explanations of anything, they just follow blindly.
7. The outraged become more outraged with the fact that for someone who seems so concerned with "communication" he actually will not answer anyone's questions or emails.
8. The division between "loyal followers" and the "disenfranchised" escalates in the comment threads.
9. Every post appears to be a desperate cry for patience and promises but like a carrot dangling in front of a starving rabbit shows nobody anything to believe in.
10. The posts all appear to be written by a megalomaniac. He hears his own cries but does not embrace those who cry to him.

The ship is sinking. There was a time where a post by Arvind would get the attention of everyone on the site, it was like the sighting of a rock star. Today his posts get almost no attention and if they do half of it is negative feedback.

Don't let my words be the defining factor of opinion of all though. Form your own, there are the links to each of his articles, you determine for yourself if they are totally ambiguous fluff.

From this former member, I see this all as a "Placebo" effort. Great words with no detail, sweet talk with no connections to the issues, an attempt to make you fall into his double talking to forget about the past by regurgitating his "big plans" for the future.

Placebo -
  • a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.
  • a measure designed merely to calm or please someone.

    "Bursting The Bubblews Bubble"

Bubblews New TOS (Parental Guidance is advised)

Bubblews New TOS 

(Parental Guidance is advised)

1. You can be yourself here, but only part of yourself.
2. You can speak your world, but not the part of your world that tells the truth about us.
3. We can delete your accounts because you earned more than we can pay.
4. We can hide anything that would let you understand how or why you make what you make and therefore call a horse a zebra.
5. We can stand proudly as thieves, fraudsters, liars and manipulators for our own gain and then pat ourselves on the back for it at your expense.
6. We can refuse to pay you and then never tell you why, never answer emails and then punish you for feeling unfairly treated.
7. We reserve the right to discriminate against an entire nation, slander them as cheaters and refuse to pay them.
8. While we are traveling to Italy and telling you that we are broke and losing money, we will enjoy what we have skimmed from you while we eat our pastas, drink Italian beer and visit historical sites.

DISCLAIMER - This article is satire and in no way a representation of any terms of service that have been printed. It is in humor relating to what the TOS have been enforced & or changed multiple times in the last two years.

Original article

When Bubbles Were Fun

When Bubbles Were Fun

(I will try to stay on track now. first article was a summary and my last one was latest interaction on a post.... I will now start at the sunny beginning)

February, 2013 former member number 14,600 here.

Yes folks, there was a time where the sun shone on Bubblews, the name was everywhere we went; Twitter, Google+, Facebook timelines as well as Facebook Groups. The glorifying that went on would be enough to make a whore blush.

Yes, I was also one of them and by God, I will stand here today and say that they earned every bit of that praise...at that time.

You see, the site was only a year old then, it had a unique look in comparison to others, it had a cute theme to it and what really drew everyone in was the compensation. Let's be real here, there are a hundred places to write for free, people signed up for the $.

At the time Bubblews was advertising themselves by saying "Speak Your World" and we will share ad revenue with you. One cent for every like, every comment and every view. This may not sound like much and it isn't really for the person who just joined. It takes time and effort to make "connections", view and read articles leaving meaningful comments on them as well as writing meaningful articles of your own.

I am a born net-worker and quickly developed a way to earn $25 a day and then shared that with everyone which boosted me up to the limelight pretty quick.

I am an American and I live in the Philippines. I had only been here for a year when we started "Bubbling" and we were struggling financially! I am not retired, I do not have a pension, I do not have SSS. What I had was a newborn baby, a wife and a job working as an online English teacher. I wrote up to 10 articles a day while teaching 24 English classes a day. All the while I commented on others articles and stayed busy.

I was not expecting a "free ride". I actually thought the purpose was to "Share Our World" and earn doing it. Truth be told I had never blogged before, was never interested and I found myself enjoying myself and endorsing the site and offering my services to staff who were more than happy to get my help.

We really had fun there, it was like a home. I nicknamed my daughter "Baby Bubble", I had dreams of writing articles and would wake up jotting down little notes. All the while I was supplementing my income very nicely and taking care of my family and that felt even better!

I had given my 100% loyalty and heart to Bubblews, that may sound a little fufu but it took my life and struggles and gave me something to look forward to everyday that I enjoyed, it helped ease the pain.

Next article I will discuss some of the bumps that began developing on the site in regards to member behavior.

"Bursting The Bubblews Bubble"

Deleted Comment From Arvinds Post

Deleted Comment From Arvinds Post

This is a title that anyone who has ever left a comment on Arvinds post that did not praise the site, questioned Arvinds motives, gave criticism to and had their comments deleted can relate to.

I had made a new account so that I could communicate on Arvinds posts and try to get some straight talk going. The comments were all deleted and the following day.. again, my account was deleted.

Comment on Arvinds post "Future" -

"I find it a little insulting that you have for 3 years treated members like mice sniffing out cheese for your "next big thing" that typically ends up being a let down. You add a feature and extend payouts. Add a feature, reduce rates. Add a feature, hide view counts ... and yet you continuously change the TOS to plug up the holes. You talk about everything in a cryptic way that really tells nobody anything and then people follow along like they are chasing the Pied Piper. You can continue playing everyone for fools Arvind but some are smarter than that. 

Now, I do not have a crystal ball to tell the future but I would guess your long term plan is to change this site to being like Facebook (you are seeking advertisers).. I am guessing because you fear AdSense dropping you or because you want to drop them. Either way I am 100% confident that your plan is to have this be a free social network with no payouts. That may be exciting for the investors you are partnered with, I dont think it is so exciting for your members. So how about putting down the cheese... stop being cryptic and let everyone know what your true long term agenda is.

They cant afford to pay members yet they can afford trips to Italy, big parties with celebs, paying big expenses to PR firms etc. Oh, and lets not forget they can afford to pay for "the next big change". You are a pro at "spinning' things Arvind, your double talk and back pedaling has become infamous all over the internet.

Certain countries getting payment reductions on their redemption's : That's because your writing here is not as valuable to them as those in the US, UK or Canada. Rather than averaging all the variables of payments advertisers give for different countries and paying members equally they are actually paying you based on what advertisers payout for views from your country. Basically they are being advertising biased. In my opinion that is rather unethical and discriminatory, no other site does that.

I will say you chose a good photo for your post though. Cloudy and dreary... like the future for all the members here! Way to go on the psychological side!

As expected, censorship, if it wasn't positive it has been removed from the comments. The truth sucks! I guess my comments were the ones that really called a spade a spade here and drove a nail through the heart of this post and the future of this site. I was relatively nice all things considered and all my comments were removed while there is still plenty of negativity in this stream. I must have hit a reality nerve."

Quick Blog Summary

Photo Credit : Creative Commons

Quick Summary Followed By Various Blogs Detailing Our Journey 

I would like to explain my history with Bubblews to everyone. In 2013 a friend messaged for a couple months asking us to join. I knew this person long before there was a Bubblews, she was an admin in my Facebook groups. Later I found she was actually Bubblewssupport1. 

In February of 2013 we finally made an account as member 16,400 after a lot of coercing from our friend. At this time there was only Support1 and a Moderator as staff. I was asked on many occasions to write articles in favor of Bubblews (per Arvinds request through Support) and I did. 

I also developed a strategy in a very short time to earn $25 a day which damn near made me famous there. I also coached on the TOS which I knew better than my mother. There came a time (as did before with my "friend") that we did not agree and she got hyper emotional and she blocked me on Facebook. 

After that things got hmm, a little weird. I have 1800 messages saved of me talking to her where there is evidence of favoritism as well as racism. All in all I was still maintaining my account on Bubblews but being a lot less biased. A little time later BBS1 was obsolete, account deleted (I assume reassigned as I saw other posts that were as stupid as the ones she wrote). 

Come June/July at the format change we were cashing out $50 every 2 days and redemption's were getting "skipped". meaning, they didn't stop paying us (proof of no foul pay on our part) but were actually missing payments. Those payments finally came to a whopping total of $800. I wrote 5 emails to 4 different addresses over a 3 month period with picture proof (that they asked for due to lame excuses) and got no reply. 

I then wrote articles to draw attention and they got deleted (meaning they knew the issue now). I then posted this comment (see photo) on Arvinds "Ask Me Anything" post and the next day my account was deleted. So, to all of you, if I seem bitter, now you know why. There was a total betrayal of trust not only as a member, but as a friend. They made their bed, they can lie in it. People will not just roll over and die like they would hope.

Photo Credit : Screenshot of my message.